I am so angry right now. So very, very, veryveryveryvery angry right now. And I'm crying. And I'm feeling very small, and betrayed (strong words, it's just tv, there are worse things. Still.) Not much room for anything else, may be back later with coherency.
*hugs* Having heard vague spoilers and gone through my own veryveryveryvery angry/crying/small and betrayed pretty much continually with Marvel for the past two years, I can only sympathize with how much it must suck to be Torchwood fan right now.
Marvel, hell. I didn't really come into fandom until after Steve died (same for DC and the ruin that was Countdown), I can't imagine how much that sucked week after week. Torchwood was, at least, only the five days. And while that was one of the most miserable tv filled hours of my life, at least it's over and I can go straight into denial, you know?
Still really freaking pissed, though. As is most of the Torchwood fandom, seems like.
You know, I never throught Torchwood would join the long, sad, steriotype-ridden ranks of "every m/m and f/f couple's storyline must end with at least one of them dying/must ever be allowed a happy ending."
If RTD had really wanted to be daring and go where no television show or movie had ever gone before, he should have let Jack and Ianto live happily ever after. Even QaF didn't do that (they bizarrely had Justin dump Brian for no reason in the last episode -- not for all the shit Brian had pulled for five seasons that would have fully merited kicking him to the curb, but for... I don't know. I watched it and I'm still not sure).
Yes, this. It's like, you don't actually think you're doing something new and edgy here, do you, RTD? And oh, it's not *just* Ianto dying [insert long string of expletives here], oh no, that was episode *4.* It just kept getting worse from there.
Someday, someone will give us a happy same sex couple who have their own happily ever after. Right? Right.
It's like, you don't actually think you're doing something new and edgy here, do you, RTD?
The sad thing is, he probably does. Just like comics writers nowadays think they're being edgy when they kill female characters off, and Joss Whedon thought he was being edgy when he killed off whatshername in Dr. Horrible.
No. Killing off female characters in comics was edgy back when they chucked Gwen Stacy off a bridge, because it was the first time they ever had a superhero spectacularly fail to save someone. It hasn't been edgy since then.
Buffy stabbing Angel after his soul came back was edgy because it had the main character killing another nominally good character for the sake of the world. "And now the female love interest buys it?" Not edgy. For the love of God, not edgy.
I am working on not being angry at where they took these characters. I worked very hard to get into my not angry place. Me, angry, is sort of dangerous.
I think you're right--RTD wanted to be edgier with his storytelling, like Moffat. He got it right in "Midnight"--then after, maybe he didn't just want to match Moffat; wanted to one-up. Dunno, speculation. I really want to know who's in charge of story direction because now it doesn't so much feel like they were just killing off Ianto--they killed any character development Jack's had on the show, and with all of ONE team member on planet Earth now . . . it feels like RTD was bitter about losing Doctor Who and in revenge decided to murder Torchwood.
What was up with last week? It's like all the Ass Hats decided to push their asses out in our faces.
Harry Potter had better be good. It better be awesome.
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Date: 2009-07-11 07:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-11 07:23 pm (UTC)Marvel, hell. I didn't really come into fandom until after Steve died (same for DC and the ruin that was Countdown), I can't imagine how much that sucked week after week. Torchwood was, at least, only the five days. And while that was one of the most miserable tv filled hours of my life, at least it's over and I can go straight into denial, you know?
Still really freaking pissed, though. As is most of the Torchwood fandom, seems like.
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Date: 2009-07-12 12:52 am (UTC)If RTD had really wanted to be daring and go where no television show or movie had ever gone before, he should have let Jack and Ianto live happily ever after. Even QaF didn't do that (they bizarrely had Justin dump Brian for no reason in the last episode -- not for all the shit Brian had pulled for five seasons that would have fully merited kicking him to the curb, but for... I don't know. I watched it and I'm still not sure).
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Date: 2009-07-12 02:38 am (UTC)Someday, someone will give us a happy same sex couple who have their own happily ever after. Right? Right.
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Date: 2009-07-12 03:17 am (UTC)The sad thing is, he probably does. Just like comics writers nowadays think they're being edgy when they kill female characters off, and Joss Whedon thought he was being edgy when he killed off whatshername in Dr. Horrible.
No. Killing off female characters in comics was edgy back when they chucked Gwen Stacy off a bridge, because it was the first time they ever had a superhero spectacularly fail to save someone. It hasn't been edgy since then.
Buffy stabbing Angel after his soul came back was edgy because it had the main character killing another nominally good character for the sake of the world. "And now the female love interest buys it?" Not edgy. For the love of God, not edgy.
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Date: 2009-07-12 09:31 pm (UTC)I think you're right--RTD wanted to be edgier with his storytelling, like Moffat. He got it right in "Midnight"--then after, maybe he didn't just want to match Moffat; wanted to one-up. Dunno, speculation. I really want to know who's in charge of story direction because now it doesn't so much feel like they were just killing off Ianto--they killed any character development Jack's had on the show, and with all of ONE team member on planet Earth now . . . it feels like RTD was bitter about losing Doctor Who and in revenge decided to murder Torchwood.
What was up with last week? It's like all the Ass Hats decided to push their asses out in our faces.
Harry Potter had better be good. It better be awesome.